Q&A Interview with Johnny Araya (Slayer, Mastodon, Testament, Mindless Self Indulgence)

Johnny Araya 1Our next Road Crew Books Q&A interview is with Slayer guitar tech, Johnny Araya. I’ve done more tours with Johnny than I’ll ever be able to remember. He’s one of the best techs out there, and one of the finest people I’ve ever known.

Mark Workman

 

Your brother, Tom Araya, is the singer/bassist for the legendary thrash metal band Slayer, and you’ve worked as Tom’s guitar tech for most of his career. Did you start your career with Slayer and were you there from the band’s inception?

Yes, I started my career with Slayer way back in 1983. I’d hang out in the garage and watch the guys practice. They were always practicing and writing; and since I was always around, they’d let me come along and help schlep gear. I was 13 years old and ordering beer at Gazzari’s and The Roxy. When we started the ‘Reign In Blood’ tour, I knew it was big time. I had to step up my game. We had a semi and carrying full production. We had a professional drum tech for Dave, a professional guitar tech for Kerry, and me taking care of Tom and Jeff. I was not a professional guitar tech.

 

What do you consider to be the hardest part of your job as a guitar tech for Slayer?

The hardest part of my job is making sure that Tom’s stage tea is not too hot. They are the best guys to work for. Sometimes I forget to hit the mute switch on his rig. I’ve missed the ‘Seasons In The Abyss’ cue a couple of times.

 

Do you ever perform any other jobs on the road such as tour manager, production manager or stage manager?

Well, Kerry’s tech, Warren Lee, and Lombardo’s tech, Norm Costa, and I sometimes do the occasional production/stage manager takeover. It’s only when local production is subpar. Being the production manager for Slayer is a tough gig, but I’m happy with what I do because I do a great job, and my job is to make sure that Tom is happy with his gear.

 

What is your best memory from the road?

Holy smokes. There are so many great memories. I have to say that my best memory is my first trip to Europe with Slayer back in 1985. We were alone out there. We had Doug Goodman as our tour guide, not tour manager. K. J. Doughton hanging out doing something, I’m not sure what. Lombardo drove because he’s left handed. I was the only crew guy. After load-in and setting up back-line, I’d jump over to front of house and mix. Sixteen years old and mixing Slayer—it was awesome!

 

What is your worst memory from the road?

Worst memory—almost dying on an Oklahoma highway. The runner had just picked up Ian, who was Kerry’s tech at the time, and me from the hotel. We were on our way back to the venue with our bus driver for bus call when the van ran out of gas on the highway. The runner and our bus driver jump out to push the van off to the side of the road. Ian and I tried to exit the van through the side door of the van to help push, but the door was jammed, and we couldn’t get out. Next thing you know, a car slams into the rear of the van. He was going about 80 to 90 mph, drunk, with a passenger. Knocked me out of my shoes. When I came to, I jumped into the driver’s seat and hit the brakes. The van had been cruising down the highway for several minutes with us passed out inside. The fire department thought the van had gone off the highway and into a ditch. I was on pain pills for the rest of Ozzfest ’99.

 

What do you like most about your job?

I love setting up gear and getting tones. I absolutely love it. There is a great satisfaction in watching a player dig the tones you dialed in for them.

 

What do you hate most about your job?

No severance pay. You agree to a tour, then find out that you’ve been let go or the tour has been cancelled. There is no severance pay. You’re screwed. Also, you hear the myths of how bands would keep their crew on retainer in between tours and stuff. What happened to that?

 

Do you feel that a person has to be a good guitar player to be a good guitar tech?

I think being a musician or musically inclined helps, but you don’t have to be a musician to drum tech or guitar tech. I know of techs who can’t play two notes on a guitar but they can repair the hell out of an amp, and drum techs that can’t keep a beat but they can make those drums sound like thunder.

 

How can young people learn to be a good guitar tech?

Observe and ask questions. If you’re not certain about something, ask. Most importantly, be neat and keep your work area clean. Also, don’t medicate too close to set time.

 

If you could work with any artist in the world, which one would you like to work with most?

Malcolm Young or Joan Jett. Either one. I love them both.

 

You’ve been a bass player in two bands of your own, Thine Eyes Bleed and Bloodcum. You’re a great guitar tech, but some good musicians don’t seem to make very good techs. Why is that?

Well, I can tell you from my experience with some musical techs. They lack the common sense to wire up a rig. Sure, you can flick the amp’s on switch and shred, but let me see you solder a five pin cable.

 

Do you think it’s harder for new metal bands to build a successful career today as opposed to when we started out in the 80s?

I think it’s easier to start a band and build a good fan base these days. With the internet you can promote and keep in touch with so many fans and record labels, and raise money to fund albums. These days, you totally don’t need a manager. Just find some die-hard fans or street teamers to help you promote. DIY.

 

What advice do you have for young people hoping to work on the road as a tech?

Go to school. Stay in school. Finish school. The road is awesome, but it’s not for everyone. It takes a certain breed to work out here. Weeks, sometimes months away from loved ones. It’s brutal. You want to tech? Learn electronics, learn how to solder and learn your frequencies.

 

When Slayer finally calls it a day and retires, will you also retire or continue on?

I’ll keep working for a bit, teching for whatever band will have me. But I don’t see myself doing this line of work for the rest of my life. No way.  It’s tough.

 

What do you think you’ll do for a living after your career on the road is over?

I see a career in state level politics. Not sure if I’d go federal. Getting involved in politics locally and spreading the words of the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights to all. Feed the people knowledge. Know your rights and liberties.

 

I hope we’ve not seen the last of drummer Dave Lombardo in Slayer. Do you think he will resolve his business dispute with the band and return?

Dude, I have no idea. It’d be great to see the guys work things out and I truly hope they do. Dave is an integral part of Slayer. The guys kind of grew up together, you know? There is a bond there. My positive thoughts are always on them working it out and getting Jeff back.

 

You’ve also worked as the guitar tech for Slayer’s lead guitarist, Jeff Hanneman. Do you think he’ll ever play live with Slayer again or just continue to write new music with the band?

That’s a tough one. Jeff wrote some of the most memorable Slayer songs ever. Jeff and Tom’s songs have been nominated for Grammys. What!? It’s safe to say that Slayer needs Jeff. Jeff and Kerry wrote great songs together. Dave, Jeff, Tom and Kerry recorded some of the best metal albums of all time together. It’d be wonderful if they could do that again.

 

Thrash bands have always been considered the black sheep of the music business; why do you think Slayer has endured through numerous musical trends and continues to grow in popularity for thirty years when the music business has pretty much been dropped on its ass?

I think it’s because they’ve never strayed from their roots. They’ve been true to metal and true to themselves. They have a very loyal following. People may think otherwise, and those people are also known as idiots, but these dudes have never been in it for the money. They’ve never tried to write a catchy tune to get that hit single played on the radio.

 

When Tom joined Slayer three decades ago and the band started writing such extreme songs as Chemical Warfare, Hell Awaits and the infamous Angel of Death, did you ever believe they’d end up being a bona fide heavy metal legend and two-time Grammy winner?

It never even entered my mind, dude. I was so young. Being there and watching them grow into the metal monster they are now, not once did I think they would be getting nominated and winning Grammys or touring with Judas Priest, Motorhead, Iron Maiden or doing gigs with X and the Circle Jerks. It’s pretty cool.

 

Are there any new musical projects of your own on the horizon?

Maybe a collaboration with Tom somewhere down the road; but for now, it’s just me and my acoustic death folk music.

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Q&A Interview with Willie Gee (Megadeth, Anthrax, Testament, Lamb of God, King Diamond)

Willie GeeWillie Gee has been Dave Mustaine’s guitar tech for years. I’ve worked with him on numerous Megadeth and Testament tours, and he’s one of the best. Willie Gee says what he means and means what he says–brace yourself.

–Mark Workman

 

How did you get your start as a guitar tech, and how long have you been doing the job?

I used to mess around with my own guitars – changing pickups and whatnot, and pester guys doing repairs locally….read the guitar magazine columns and all that. When I was playing in local bands, I tended to have an odd setup I’d run – splitters that allowed me to run talk a talk box, guitar synth, etc. – so of course, I’d have problems and I had to figure out how to troubleshoot. A friend of mine asked me to fill in for him for a while on a tour he was on so he could ditch to do a “bigger” tour, and I sort of just….fit in, I guess. Since I’d had so many chances to figure out what was going wrong with my own stuff, I usually could figure out what was wrong with everyone else’s.

I’m about 12 years in, for the most part now – pretty new, compared to many others working in the touring business right now!

 

You’ve worked mostly for heavy bands such as Megadeth, Anthrax, Lamb of God and King Diamond. Do you pursue metal gigs because it’s where your heart is at?

That’s kind of accurate. Sometimes I don’t know if I’m pursuing metal gigs or if they are pursuing ME ! I love heavy music, pretty much always have …. I can’t see a time when I will ever NOT do metal touring.  Money is important, as anyone knows….but I am spoiled or something…. I don’t feel as much at ease on other gigs as I do on metal gigs. I suppose I am too immersed in that subculture. I started doing some gigs for Black Eyed Peas, and some of their crew members crack jokes now and again about being “the metal guy”. I can take it. Also, it seems like acts other than metal acts that tour have more “chefs in the kitchen” so to speak, and it makes it a lot harder to get anything done than it should be. I don’t like red tape and people in charge that in actuality do nothing.

 

Do you ever perform any other jobs on the road such as tour manager, production manager or stage manager?

I was stage manager with Megadeth for a while…. I hated it. A lot of times on tours with smaller acts, you sort of wind up assuming a lot of duties simply because there’s no one else to do them! I’ve done a smattering of other things, such as being an LD, I’ve done a bit of drum teching, keyboards, etc… people have asked me about doing a stint as stage manager, production manager – even tour manager for some younger acts…. I don’t really want any part of it. No one seems to want to take my advice or do things that I direct, so I don’t need the job title and responsibility that goes with it. When something goes wrong, I’m usually blamed anyway!

 

How much longer do you think you’ll continue working on the road?

I will be out there until my back finally gives out, until I simply cannot stomach any of the bands anymore, until they outlaw heavy metal ( or power pop because I still want that Cheap Trick gig ), until I finally find that extremely hot, rich, blind, mute woman of my dreams, or until I finish my line of future New York Times best-selling children’s books… I think…

 

What will you do for a living after your life on the road is over?

I’m seriously working on a children’s book – at least ONE of them! We’ll see where that goes. I’ve always wanted to do animation or comic art. I was into drawing, cartoons and comics before I was really into music… I have some ideas but I’ve not taken sufficient time to do anything with that yet. It’s been suggested – and I’ve been softly looking into it – that I try to get some voice-over work. Let’s face it, they’re not going to be able to use Morgan Freeman forever.

I’d also like to go to luthiery school and learn to turn bits of wood and wire into functioning art such as the almighty guitar.  I used to work in the printing field, I suppose I could brush up my Photoshop/Illustrator/QuarkXpress skills and get back into that…..I liked doing that stuff.

I have a few different things I’m interested in. I suppose it’s too late for me to try to be an astronaut.

 

What is your best memory of your job on the road?

That’s a tough question. Also hard to answer without making me look like more of a punter fan boy than most people already seem to think I am! Hey – I like what I like.

Some things come to mind, mostly because of the sort of ludicrous aspect of it…. and a lot of them have nothing to do with the actual job itself. When I was helping out Damage Plan in Europe, Dimebag nicknamed me “The Bass Tech from Hell”….never quite knew what he meant by that, it can be taken both ways! I think any time a musician that I respect asks for my opinion of some particular gear, setup or sound, I feel pretty good about it.

On a tour in South America, I wound up playing Ramones songs with some band in a Hell’s Angels clubhouse in Argentina….then the tour manager started singing some of them….that was a little off the path, I guess. Not really part of my JOB, but still….

 

What is your worst memory of your job on the road?

I have more than my fair share of those also! I’d have to say, off the top of my head, that being with a band with only a few guitars and watching a Les Paul’s headstock break right before the song it was to be used on, and THEN the singer’s only guitar break a string during the same song ranks up there.

During a lot of the earlier “code orange” terrorist scare BS, I was out with a band who had a show moved from an armory to a skating rink on a reservation in New Mexico. They had some stage in there…supposedly the same stage Waylon Jennings(?) had a heart attack on. The power went out there, TWICE, and the stage was overrun all show long by people stage-diving and grabbing stuff – ages 6 to 20somethings. At one point, the guitarist jumped off the stage for some reason, then clipped his shin climbing back up. I noticed him a bit later, standing in a pool of his own blood – he’d severed the muscle at the front of his shin or something. I wrapped his leg up in a towel, made a gaff tape tourniquet, he finished the gig and I carried him offstage to where we put him in an ambulance.

All the power on stage right ( where MY setup happened to be ) going out at a Big 4 show during a live national (Scandinavian ) television broadcast wasn’t too cool either. Other than obvious things like people dying, those are some of the worst.

 

What do you like most about your job on the road?

Well, I suppose it’s the same old story about sometimes being able to see places that I might otherwise never go to. I don’t suppose I’d have ever made it to The Great Wall, Pyramid del Sol, Taj Mahal or anyplace like that working a desktop publishing job, let alone at 7-11 or Bakers shoe store. I’ve gotten to meet some pretty interesting people with some great stories to tell, and that sort of thing is pretty priceless. And I kind of like not usually being in one place for more than about two weeks at best, usually.

 

What do you hate most about your job on the road?

Not being in one place for more than about two weeks at best usually!!! It’s a double-edged sword. I also hate not being able to have a dog….. or do some things that people with a more “conventional” job are able to do. I hate Loves truck stops. I hate being asked for swag. I hate thieving stage hands. I hate unusually early load-ins. If you ask most people, I have a LOT of things to hate!

 

If you could work with any artist in the world, which one would you like to work with most?

The first person who comes to mind is Peter Frampton. I’ve been a fan of his playing and songs since I was in grade school, he still inspires me – his playing is very lyrical and he seems to really love making music. There’s too many jaded, bitter musicians and not enough who seem to realize how fortunate they are to be able to make music for a living. Supposedly he’s a really nice guy, also. I’d like to work for Steve Vai also….or maybe Vernon Reid. They both are very experimental and into new technology and I think working with gear of theirs would be a great experience.

 

What do you consider to be the hardest part of your job as a guitar tech?

Most of this job, I don’t think is all that hard….sometimes I get a guitar that is problematic and just doesn’t want to cooperate, with electronic gremlins, a neck that wants to be a hunting bow or a skateboard half-pipe when it grows up or something like that. That’s always a nightmare. The toughest part is probably just keeping a level head and solving an issue when and if it happens during a show. Sometimes it’s hard suppressing the urge to choke the bejeebus out of someone you’re working with, but that’s a different story. Other than that, I’ve noticed over time that some techs just don’t seem to care about what they are doing, like they’re burned out and just waiting out the day to collect a paycheck. I think you have to care about what you’re doing and how you’re doing it, and I know that can be hard to do.

 

Do you feel that a person has to be able to play guitar well to be a good guitar tech?

Not at all – that’s sort of like saying you need to be a Nascar or Formula One driver to be able to work on a race car, to me. I think that a person should have an ear for sounds and have great attention to detail. Being able to play helps quite a bit, I am sure…if you can play it, you can test certain things and notice a problem or inconsistency that someone who can’t play may not be aware of. It’s possible that the ability to actually play the instrument is sort of on a sliding scale of importance in relation to the person/act you’re working for. It’s probably just as or more important to be a good bartender as it is a good musician to a lot of these bands.

 

Where do you suggest people go to learn how to be a guitar tech?

I have absolutely no clue. I am not sure of anywhere besides places like Roberto-Venn School of Luthiery, Musician’s Institute, Chicago School of Guitar Making and a few places like that where you can go to learn building and repair skills and techniques. I’m still trying to learn this stuff myself! But we are in the information age…. there are COUNTLESS books, videos on VHS and DVD, YouTube tutorials, etc. that will demonstrate how to do almost ANYTHING that you’d want to learn how to do. I’d say look on Craigslist, eBay, music stores and/or pawn shops, buy some P.O.S. beater guitar and some tools and have at it. If the instrument gets ruined, you’ve not lost much.

Touring as a tech isn’t totally about the skill level all the time, either – as nutty as that sounds. You have to remember that you are working alongside people and there are a LOT of different personalities out there….sometimes the toughest thing is learning to work with and basically live with a LOT of people without wanting to go homicidal on them or having them dump you in a cable trunk and load you into a truck for an 800-mile drive. I’ve known a lot of people who were GREAT at working on gear, but after a couple of weeks at best everyone they worked with wanted to punch them in the face. Then, there are others who have been absolutely USELESS but someone liked them hanging around so ….they were around.

So…as silly as it sounds, sometimes the best way to learn is just to DO it. You’re not going to make any money doing this, initially anyway. Find a band and start helping them. If you’re good at it, eventually you’re going to get paid – by SOMEONE.

 

In what ways do you feel that touring has changed since you first started out?

I haven’t been touring all THAT long, but I remember the days of trying to call various company reps, management offices, even home from a pay phone! More than anything else, technology has changed touring more than anything else. Broadband technology has definitely made touring a lot easier, as communication and information transference is of such high importance. I’m pretty curious about some of the new digital wireless products that have been coming out too, speaking of broadband…. everyone who’s had to work with wireless gear in the recent years knows about the problems with increased broadband interference.

The situation with the September 11th tragedy, the “war on terrorism” and all of that has definitely made touring a bit different. Anyone who travels a lot for ANY reason knows what a pain in the ass traveling has become ever since 2001, and to make that worse, doing a show in places like New York City with their vehicles and trailer restrictions as of late doesn’t make for a pleasant experience either.

On a more petty scale, the popularity of social networking….ugh…. something else that didn’t exist until somewhat recently. At every gig, there are people showing up that act like they are entitled to some sort of special treatment because they think they have some connection to something or someone because they “follow them on this” or are “friends with them on that”… I say this a lot: in the past when there was a show, people bought their ticket in advance, waited to get in, watched the show and went home. Now, people get sold a VIP ticket package with a meet and greet involved or whatever, and they always show up late when they knew what time things were scheduled for, but because they’ve spent money, they expect to get a private audience or something. ANNOYING. Just buy the ticket, watch the show and go home. Don’t forget to BUY MERCH ON YOUR WAY OUT, also.

 

What advice do you have for young people hoping to work on the road as a guitar tech?

There’s always more people that think it’s a good idea to become a touring tech than there are ( decent ) job openings for them. I recall being at a truck stop ( probably a Loves ) and a guy working there asked me if I thought “the road” was a good place to hide out from the law, because he thinks he just got his third strike and didn’t want to go to jail. Yeah, there’s a lot of those out there, and I’m sure there’s a few people crazy enough to hire them.

So, if you want to work often and work on good gigs, there’s a lot of things you can – and probably should do. And this is a “do as I suggest, not as I do” sort of thing…..

You probably know if you’re a jerk or not. DON’T BE A JERK. No one is amused by you. You don’t have to be a dishrag either – don’t stand for obvious B.S. But if you’re a jackass from Day 1, chances are you are not going to last very long.

Get the best gear you can possibly get – high quality tuners and tools, a proper case of some sort to house them, etc. At the end of the day, you’re expected to make certain things happen. Having something break or fail on you is going to make you look bad. You don’t want that.

Pay attention to what’s going on and try to learn something – even if it’s what NOT to do – as often as you can.

Don’t treat touring like some sort of extended spring break vacation. You’re there to work. People may go to shows to party, but that’s not what you’re there for.  Don’t overdue “the party”, get rest, stay healthy. And for the love of God, take a shower.

If you think you’re going to become some sort of rock star and starting out as a roadie is your ticket “in”, do everyone a favor and go get a job doing something else.

Touring seems to be more and more of a global thing, lately…. I seem to spend more time outside of the U.S. than touring domestically, it seems. As odd as it may seem, I would recommend learning another language. Since so much touring seems to happen in Latin America and Europe, I would recommend Spanish. If you know Spanish, add French. Try Japanese for kicks, if you’re the sporting type. You’re going to be working in places where English is NOT the language of choice and sometimes the interpreter may not be around. You may even find yourself being hired more often, or even hired for positions other than backline if you speak more than one language.

Learn how to solder.

And most importantly: if someone asks you for guitar picks, tell them NO. You’ll be doing yourself a favor in the long run.

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Q&A Interview with Bob Davis (Drake, Rage Against The Machine, Josh Groban, R. Kelly, System of a Down)

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Bob Davis is a successful music tour accountant and a former tour manager. He’s worked on the road for 25 years. Bob has won Tour Accountant of the Year at the Tour Link Top Dog Awards numerous times. Bob and I have worked together on tours in the past, and he’s one of the best. A lot can be learned from him. And like myself, Bob tells it like it is–the only way to tell it.

–Mark Workman

 

How long have you worked on the road, and how did you get started in the business?

On the road full-time about 22 years now, with 3 years of part-timing before that.  Like a lot of roadies, I was a musician, playing bass in a local band in Raleigh, NC, where I lived (and still do).  Never made much money at it, at best maybe 40 bucks a night playing crappy little club gigs.  My band had an off weekend upcoming and a friend’s band had just lost their only crew dude, their Guitar Tech, so when they asked me if I’d ride along to help out, I jumped at the chance.  Road Trip, whoo-hoo! I wasn’t a bona fide Guitar Tech, but because I’d been playing 15 years by that point, I knew my way around the guitars.  No sweat stringing and tuning ‘em and swapping the guy out between songs. The gig was at the Cannery in Nashville – they were playing a “showcase” gig for 2 vice-presidents from RCA Records, in hopes of landing a label deal.  The deal never panned out, but they wound up signed to TwinTone out of Minneapolis a few months later.  As for me, I got paid $20 and a six-pack of beer.  Schweet!

That was the end of my band days and the beginning of my roadie career. A couple of years later, the singer/guitarist from another area band saw me busting my ass at a gig and offered me $50/night to work for his band.  Elevator up!  I went on to work for that band for seven years and two albums on Columbia Records as Guitar Tech, Bass Tech, Tour Manager, Truck Driver, LD, and Merch Seller all rolled-up into one.  Needless to say, I learned a LOT in those seven years.

 

I know that you have worked for a lot of heavy bands in the past such as Disturbed, Slipknot, Machine Head, Rage Against the Machine and Deftones, but I also know that you’re doing hip hop acts such as Drake, R&B artists like R. Kelly, and more mainstream acts like Coldplay. How did this transition occur and was it an easy or challenging one for you? Many people prefer to stick to one genre of music.

Don’t forget Clay Aiken.  And Josh Groban, who’s about as far from metal bands as you can get.  It wasn’t so much a transition, as it was taking a gig when I got a call about a gig.  The roadie world maybe isn’t as big as a lot of people think.  The reason I got the Josh Groban gig was because his Tour Manager used to be the TM for Disturbed, Sevendust, and other heavy bands.  We had toured together, working for separate bands, so he knew what he was getting when he hired me.  Then he got better gigs, so I got better gigs.  You might say the benefits of networking and leaving a positive impression on others.  He’s still one of my best pals in the business and I still work for him whenever possible.

The R. Kelly gig landed in my lap courtesy of his Production Manager of the time, Chris Gratton, who had spent some 8 years splitting his time between Korn and Limp Bizkit.  We had met years before on one of those Metallica Summer Sanitarium tours – he was with Linkin Park at the time and I was with Deftones.  Again, I must have left an impression on him.  He called me in on the Clay Aiken tour in 2004 (his big tour), and then again when he took the R. Kelly gig.

Bottom line, I’m a money whore, and Tour Accountant gigs are few and far between, so when I get the call, if I can do the gig, I do the gig.  Regarding genres of music, I like rock more than softer music, but if it pays, it pays.  I can’t pigeon-hole my income by only working for only certain types of acts.

 

I understand that you now prefer to work as a tour accountant and no longer work as a tour manager. Why did you make this decision, or was it just a natural progression in your career?

Yeah, I do, and here’s the bottom line on that.  When I hit my early-40′s, it seems I lost my patience in dealing with “grown men” who always left their big boy pants at home when they went out on the road.  There were a few consecutive tours where I felt I was babysitting a bunch of fucking 12-year-old kids.  As I recall, I did one of those tours with YOU as the band’s LD (nudge, nudge, wink, wink…).

When I finally hit my wit’s end, I decided that one of two things was going to happen.  Either I was going to go to prison for killing one of those juvenile delinquents, or I was going to have to find a new job doing something else on the road.

Within a couple of weeks, our dear friend Danny Nozell called and offered me the Production Manager gig with Slipknot.  I begged off, knowing in my heart I had neither the energy or knowledge required for the gig, but then Danny asked if I might consider coming out as the band’s Tour Accountant.  Well, shit, the accounting gig is maybe 30% of the average Tour Manager’s job, so I figured that could be a fun way to get back out on the road without all the babysitting pressure.  That was in 2001 and I have only done accounting gigs since that time.  I like to think that I didn’t pick the job, the job picked me.  I call myself a retired Tour Manager now.

 

I know that some tour managers feel that one of the biggest headaches in their job is doing their tour accounting. Since you seem to be only pursuing tour accountant gigs, you must enjoy doing accounting.

I know a LOT of TM’s who feel that way.  God bless them, because if they loved doing the shit work of accounting, there would be even fewer gigs available to me.  It’s not difficult work, you just have to think about it, and have a eye for detail.  I’ll leave all the alpha-male, commander-of-the-ship stuff to those TM guys and I’ll just go play with this stack of receipts.

I can’t say I “enjoy” the gig, but I sure can’t say it’s difficult.  I know guys at home who wake up at 6 AM to go load sheet-rock, so I feel very blessed by what I get paid a fair wage to do for a living.

 

Do you use programs such as Quicken to do your accounting, or do you use spreadsheets that you’ve built on Excel?

I’m a Microsoft Excel guy, through and through.  Some of my sheets I build from scratch, and some I modify from other people’s existing files.

I used Quicken on one tour and hated it.  Even worse, I was forced into using it.  OK, maybe that’s why I hated it.  I got a phone call to fly out and join a tour that was already 15 shows deep, so I get on a plane, fly to NYC the day before a sold-out show at Madison Square Garden.  Show up at load-in the next morning, and just after lunch the TM asks me if I have Quicken on my computer.  Told him no, I don’t use it, which is when he tells me I’m going to have to use it.  So I send a runner to the nearest Apple store to get a copy, installed it and took a look, and then I got a headache that seemed to last for the next 8 months.  Sorry, Quicken works for some folks, but I think it’s a piece of crap.  Whatever the business manager might ever need, I can give it to them a lot quicker and easier using Excel.

 

How much longer do you think you’ll continue working on the road?

At this point, I’m planning to come off the road in 2025, the year I turn 67 and can max out my Social Security earnings.  Roadies have only whatever retirement plan they have set up for themselves, so I don’t want to settle for the earlier, lower SS payments.  That also gives me another dozen years to top up my 401K plan, and maybe buy a couple of inexpensive investment properties.

 

What do you think you’ll do for a living after your career on the road is over?

Honestly, I’ll probably still take the occasional 10-12 week tour, but I can’t see myself doing any 6-month or longer runs by then.  The thought of retirement doesn’t really work for me.  Hell, I only work 6-8 months per year now, so I’m already “retired” for 4-6 months per year.  It gets boring!  Also, my dad died the day he retired from a company he’d worked for 44 years. The poor guy bought himself a brand new Cadillac as his own retirement gift, which only had 200 miles on it when I had to drive the immediate family to his funeral in it. Not the way I want to go out.

I’ve always wanted to own a small bar, or maybe a she-she hot dog restaurant/dive bar, you know, like Dirty Frank’s in Columbus, OH.  Not sure how much energy I might have for those endeavors by that age, though.

 

What is your best memory of your life on the road?

Probably bringing my girlfriend out for visits.  Like the time she came to England at the end of a tour leg, and we vacationed there, or the other times she came out just to spend a few days off with me, be it NYC or LA or Phoenix, or New Orleans, or hell, even Milwaukee (the Harley Museum was cool and she enjoyed it)

Dinner on the beach in Australia, Pommes Frites (mussels & fries) in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower, beers with crew friends on the Calais-to-Dover ferry, watching the incredible Audley Freed (Cry Of Love) play guitar for 7 years from the side of the stage, and many more…

 

What is your worst memory of your life on the road?

The beginning of a Metallica tour leg in 2004, which started in Amsterdam, in the Netherlands.  I flew in, but my luggage didn’t make it.  Nothing for three whole days.  Since then, I have always carried a backpack with a couple days worth of clothing and provisions.  Always, lol…

 

What do you like most about your job on the road?

Other than the paycheck, I’d say the opportunity to make friends along the way, whether amongst the crew or local folks wherever you might be.  And watching from monitor world as Rage Against The Machine headlined in front of 98,000 kids in the UK was fun.

 

What do you hate most about your job on the road?

Like everyone else, being away from loved ones and friends back home.  Hell, I miss the dog…

 

Having once been a tour manager, have you ever had any challenging moments working with tour managers in your capacity as tour accountant?

Not at all.  I respect the position those guys have put themselves in, because I’ve done it.  It just never was a “comfort zone” for me.  If they ask for my opinion or advice, I’m happy to offer it.  Other than that, I just keep my mouth shut.  What’s the old wise saying?  It’s better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

 

What do you consider to be the hardest part of your job as a tour accountant?

I can’t honestly describe a single element of my job as hard; you just need to pay attention to what you’re doing.

 

Have you ever had any promoters try and pull a fast one on you at settlement?

Oh, sure, anyone who’s ever settled a bunch of shows has had that happen.  Some promoters consider settlement to be a game of “us vs. them,” and will try to pull a lot of stunts.

And then there are the boneheads like a certain European promoter who I won’t name.  I was with System Of A Down around 2002 and we were doing a show in an 8,000-capacity venue, yet when I happened to walk into the box office to check on things, I found hard tickets with serial numbers ending at 10,000.  Huh?  That cost the guy a hell of a lot of additional money when I threatened to keep the band off the stage.  Later on the same tour, the same guy had us doing an indoor gig that had been “sold out” for 6 weeks until I discovered a tiny box office at the far end of the property selling tickets as fast as they could.

 

What other artists would you like to work with in the future?

As long as I can work 6-8 months per year, I’m not at all picky about who the artist is.  My favorite bands were all big in the early-70′s, so there’s no chance I’ll ever get to work with them.

 

What advice do you have for young people hoping to work on the road as a tour accountant?

Honestly, I think they should get 3-5 years under their belt as Tour Managers first.  Not only will they get a taste of the accounting work, but the job will give them the purview required to settle the bigger shows.  500 or 50,000, it’s all the same.  The numbers get bigger, but the concept’s the same.

 

You’ve been building your Bobnet road crew email list for years now, and it’s become quite a valuable resource for road crew members looking for a gig and for managers, tour managers, and production managers looking to hire road crew members. I speak of the great value of Bobnet in my book, One for the Road: How to Be a Music Tour Manager. How can new road crew members trying to get started in the business get into your Bobnet email list?

You just made me buy your book on Amazon, you sneaky bastard!  The only requirement to get on the Bobnet list is that you have a resume that shows some type of touring experience.  For the jobs I blast out to list-members, those folks doing the hiring insist on some level of experience.  Just yesterday, I sent out job openings for Kanye West, Whitesnake, and a country act named Billy Currington.  Those are not beginner gigs.  Anyone with experience can contact me at bd58@aol.com and request to be put on the Bobnet list.  Be sure to include that resume.

 

If there were a telephone to the afterlife and you could call anyone no longer with us, who would you call and what would you say to them?

That one’s easy for me.  I’d call my mom, who passed away in 2008, and then my buddy David, who died in 2007.  He was the guitarist in the first band I ever worked for, back at the beginning of this 25-year journey of roadiedom.

Q&A Interview with Doug Short (Thin Lizzy, Megadeth, Van Halen, David Lee Roth, Testament)

Doug Short pic

I have worked with Doug Short on many tours, including Megadeth and Testament. He’s an audio engineer (FOH and monitors) and has also worked as tour manager and production manager. He’s one of the best, and much can be learned from him.

–Mark Workman

How did you get your start as an audio engineer, and how long have you been doing the job on the road?

I was a drummer in the glam days of Hollywood hair bands. The band I was playing for was recording a record that would never be heard. It was my first encounter with an audio console. I realized that it was my calling, 26 years ago. I haven’t gotten any better but my clients have!

Do you ever perform any other jobs on the road such as tour manager or production manager?

I have done both of those tasks for David Lee Roth and Cyndi Lauper. It is important to be multifaceted these days.

How much longer do you think you’ll continue working on the road?

Until Hell freezes over.

What will you do for a living after your life on the road is over?          

Sell long underwear to Satan, attorneys, and managers. The message is to have an escape plan to exit the music business when it is time.

What is your best memory of your job on the road?

So many great memories—how about being hired to do the Van Halen 2007 reunion tour and meeting Alex and Ed Van Halen.

What is your worst memory of your job on the road?

Dealing with Eddie Van Halen and quitting the tour.

What do you like most about your job on the road?

I am still addicted to the adrenaline rush of a great performance in front of a festival crowd, traveling the world, and getting paid is a bonus. New friends and contacts without Facebook is damn cool.

What do you hate most about your job on the road?

Incompetency in management folks who treat the crew as a commodity that can never be cheap enough, and promoters who sign off on rider specs that they have no intention of meeting or even reading, for that matter.

What is the most challenging aspect of working with road managers and production managers?

Some tour managers and production managers have their own “posse” that they want to take on every tour they can. These power-hungry wankers will overlook the abilities of someone who has already been with the artist for years and even instigate friction between loyal, competent crew members and the artist. You know who you are!

If you could work with any artist in the world, which one would you like to work with most?

I would love to work with Prince or David Lee Roth again.

What do you consider to be the hardest part of your job as an audio engineer?

Sometimes it is just performance; sometimes it is the gear. Sometimes I just cannot find my groove. In reality, ear fatigue is really our nemesis.

What advice do you have for young people hoping to work on the road in any capacity?

Be dedicated to and educated in the gig that you want to pursue. Be nice. Your ego is second to the artist’s ego. If you have a “difficult” artist, realize that they are under more pressure than you are and do not usually possess the tech talk to communicate to you in a manner you might find useful. At the end of the day, it was their name on the marquee, not yours or your audio company. Have some understanding and pay attention to the artist. They respond hugely in a major way to that. Win their confidence. Have bus etiquette. Respect old dogs. We were you once. We did not have computers to assist in doing our jobs. We had things called two ears and that’s what we counted on for success. Learn from us. Rethink finishing college! Ha! Never limit yourself to one artist or job.

Who do you feel made the audio world what it is today?

Bob Heil; he is the father of concert audio. He understood the electronics and physics from playing and working on pipe organs early in his career.

If there were a telephone to the afterlife and you could call anyone no longer with us, who would you call and what would you say to them?

I would call Nikola Tesla and say to him, “Why did you stand for Thomas Edison taking the glory. He was mediocre in comparison.

Q&A Interview with Martin Walker (Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Slash & Whitesnake)

From 2008 to 2011, my long-time client, the legendary thrash metal band, Testament, toured extensively around the world on their The Formation of Damnation record.

We had the pleasure of doing many big tours, but some of the most memorable ones were with the Metal Gods, Judas Priest. The band members of Judas Priest, their production manager/FOH engineer, Martin Walker, and their tour manager, Jim Silvia, not only took the best care of us possible, but they treated us like family. I will never forget those tours.

We must’ve done sixty or seventy shows with them around the world, and we watched Judas Priest perform every night, in awe of them–especially Rob Halford–every single show.

Down below is my first Q&A interview with Martin Walker.

–Mark Workman

How did you get your start as a road manager?

After being a sound guy for various bands, I was approached by a very good friend of mine, Tommy Tee (R.I.P.), who was managing The Almighty at the time; he needed a sound guy and a tour manager, and he had a small budget. He asked me if I thought I could handle both roles. I said I was willing to give it a try if both he and the band were.

How long have you been working as a road manager?

My first road/production job was with The Almighty, back in 1987.

How much longer do you think you’ll continue working on the road?

I have 2 young daughters, aged 10 and 5, so I can’t see myself retiring until they are both old enough to take care of themselves financially!

Do you perform any other jobs on the road?

I am lucky enough to be able to turn my hand to monitors, FOH, stage tech, patch guy, systems guy, road manager and production manager. I’m also willing to have a go at any reasonable combination of those roles at any given time. My motto is that I’d rather work than not, so I’ll do whatever it takes to secure that job, within reason of course!

What is your best memory of your job on the road?

I have way too many memories to pick one out. I have plans to do as you have and write a book about it all one day! But road managing and doing sound for Paradise Lost when they headlined the 125,000 capacity Dynamo Festival in Holland was particularly good. Any show with EMF was always a challenge that was a pleasure to pull off! Moving the Kula Shaker show from the 2nd stage on the Saturday at Glastonbury over to the main stage for a repeat performance on the Sunday because of the bad weather—resulting in so many acts cancelling—was a grueling weekend that would test anyone’s patience, but we pulled that one off too! And of course, any day working with Judas Priest is always a total pleasure.

What is your worst memory of your job on the road?

I don’t have many of those, but one that does spring to mind is having to cancel the remaining couple of weeks of a UK tour with The Almighty because of the singer falling ill and then in the time between that happening and the re-scheduled dates beginning, the band decided to sack their management, leaving me to pick up the pieces until new management were in place. Some tour suppliers’ bills remained unpaid and my diplomacy skills were stretched to the limit in order to get everything back up and running. I’m pleased to say all went ahead as planned, but it doesn’t leave great memories in my mind!

What do you like most about being a road manager or production manager?

The satisfaction of turning up to an empty venue, getting everything in, up and running, doing a show, packing it all away again and having the venue staff and promoter compliment me on a smooth running show with an easy going, non-shouting crew, something I strive for everyday of my touring life.

What do you hate most about being a road manager or production manager?

Crew members that have bigger egos than the artists. Ignorance. Promoters who don’t care. People who say things like ‘we’ve not done it like that before’. Promoters who think they can fool me with bent settlements. People who make promises with no intention of keeping them.

What will you do for a living after your life on the road is over?

Right now, at this time, I have no fuckin’ idea, and to be honest, it scares me to death! I have a wife who is a few years younger than me, so hopefully she can work and support me instead!

If you could work with any artist in the world, which one would you like to work with, and why?

As a sound guy I would have loved to have done the Michael Jackson shows that were planned before his death and I would loved to have mixed Pink Floyd at any point. As for the future, who knows, I guess being a sound guy that seems to mainly get heavy metal jobs, it would be nice to work with AC/DC and Metallica, as they are really the only 2 acts bigger than Priest and Maiden still going strong. As for road managing, well my dream job would be to road manage Rob Halford, doing ‘an evening with’ just questions and answers, no music! He’s a perfect gentleman to tour with and not having any band stuff to deal with would make the job a dream!

What do you consider to be the hardest part of your job as a road manager or production manager every day and why?

Hand picking a crew that are suitable for the job, and will get on with each other and the artist, is always a bit of a lottery; and getting up in the morning after the alcoholic haze of the day before. I’m not getting any younger!

What advice do you have for young people hoping to work on the road in any capacity?

Listen to any advice whatsoever that comes your way, and learn to get along with people. Anyone can learn any particular job, but if no one likes you, it’s irrelevant how good you are, the chances are you won’t get asked back. And last but not least, if you get fired at any time, don’t take it too hard, sometimes your face just doesn’t fit, and there’s always another job around the corner.

If there were a telephone to the afterlife and you could call anyone no longer with us, who would you call and what would you say to them?

I’d call my good friend and mentor who gave me that early break as a road manager, Tommy Tee (The Almighty’s manager) just to let him know how I was doing, and to thank him for the break because I didn’t take the opportunity.

My first Road Crew Books blog post

I first started writing these words because I felt bad for not having time to reply to some of my friends on my personal Facebook page, answering their questions about my upcoming book, because I’m dead-tired and feeling overwhelmed by websites, Facebook, Twitter, publicity and press releases, personal bullshit, upcoming tours, and the rest of this entire book release thing. The friendly old Walmart greeter I see every few days seems really impressive to me right now.

I just want to write; that’s all I’ve ever wanted to do. I retired as a road manager a year ago for a reason. I only work as a lighting designer now. I don’t want the daily music business headaches of being a road manager anymore; but there will always be headaches in anything we do in life. I get it.

Someone very close to me set me straight today and said, quite forcefully, “So you’re not getting much sleep, how much sleep do you get on the road? You wanted this, so stop complaining.” It was a good point. I haven’t slept in thirty years. Her comment woke me up—like I was ever asleep. My friend was right. I’ll sleep when I’m dead.

I’m self-publishing One for the Road: How to Be a Music Tour Manager through my company, Road Crew Books. I haven’t bought a printed book, DVD, or CD in years, and I never will again. I buy all of my books, movies, and music at places like Amazon and iTunes via download. This is the way it is now. I accept the future; I embrace it. We all should. We can’t change it, so why fight it? Borders and Tower Records—and a slew of others—closed down for a reason.

I continue to second-guess myself and ponder shopping my book to a conventional publisher—and I have the good people around me to attempt it—but I remain unconvinced that this is the smart thing for me or any other producer of creative work to do in this day and age. Don’t misunderstand me; every author is fully aware that they might only sell two copies of their book—to their parents. If that happens to me, I will be sad for a nanosecond, and then this book will be a distant memory—overnight—like a bad show in a crappy club in Caracas. On to the next project; work harder; do better on the next one. Yesterday is a waste of time.

If I’ve learned nothing else after thirty hard years in the music business, I’ve learned to not sell my soul and sign some slave contract that many of my music business clients have signed over the years. I’d rather do it my way. It’s the harder way; but glory beckons at the end of the long road of painful perseverance for those with the guts and determination to make it to the finish line. I’ve always believed that, and no one will ever change my mind about it. These are exciting times for indie authors, bands, filmmakers, and artists of every kind with guts and vision.

I wrote this 356-page how-to book for people I don’t even know, but I’ve met them thousands of times all around the world. I wrote it for all of the kids who’ve come up to me over the years, asking me how they can learn to be a road manager in the music business, to live this dream they have cemented in their heads like a lost love they refuse to let go of. I admire them.

My knee-jerk impulse was to always do them a favor and say, “Stay in fucking college,” but I never did that because I never wanted to hear that shit from anyone when I got on that Trailways bus in 1979, at the age of 19, left the hills of West Virginia with $150 to my name, and went 2,400 miles to Los Angeles–where I didn’t know a soul–to find a way into the music business. Don’t ever let anyone talk you out of your dreams because of their fears and frightened lack of ambition. There’s no success in safety.

I’ve also had a few people around me trying to get me to spin this book as some “encyclopedia of tour management” to sell more books. I have road manager friends in this business with much bigger clients than mine, old-timers who have forgotten more than I’ll ever know about this gig, and I’ve been doing this road manager job for twenty-five years. But I sat my sorry ass down in a chair for two years and wrote a good book, and that’s something any writer should be proud of.

I wrote this book for me, first and foremost, then for the new guys and gals coming up. It makes me laugh, and sad, every time I read it. There’s a lot of good advice in this book for even some experienced road managers already doing the job out there on the road.

I’ve often found that I learn more from the mistakes of others than from their accomplishments. My readers will learn more from my advice, knowledge, and mistakes than from some phony book telling them how great this very difficult job is—painting a false perfect picture on a canvas made of lies.

After spending the first four years of my career as a lighting designer for the ‘80s metal band, Keel, I did my first tour as a tour manager/lighting designer for the heavy metal band, Leatherwolf, in 1988. And while I had learned a lot from Keel’s road manager, Willie Korman—one helluva’ guy—watching him do the job and actually jumping into the hot seat and doing it right are two entirely different things.

I spent the first two years of my career as a road manager conning everyone into believing that I knew what I was doing while I struggled to figure it out. I would’ve paid $1,000 for a book back then to teach me how to do the job, but no book on the subject existed. I had to learn the job the hard way, and I made a lot of mistakes; but I kept going and refused to give up.

I’ve spent many long nights over the past two years writing One for the Road: How to Be a Music Tour Manager, worrying about some of the things I’ve said in it, worrying about who I’m going to piss off with some of it, and how it could possibly affect my current clients in the twilight of my career as a lighting designer. Well, I can’t inject a sense of humor into those who don’t have one—that’s their problem.

We need to stop taking ourselves so seriously, look in the mirror, and laugh at ourselves a lot more often. People don’t even truly speak to each other anymore for fear of pissing off those who hear them. Whatever happened to a sense of humor, or is politically correct our way of justifying the fact that we no longer have one?

I often wonder why I even wrote this book for these young people when they have to get on a plane and fly around the world and worry about being blown up by lunatics who kill their own innocent women and children in the name of God. Whatever happened to this world?

Love more, fight less. Laugh more, live longer.

And to hell with politically correct. Tell it like it is, or why tell it at all.

–Mark Workman